>Captured because of allegation of heresy
>Confessed to a heresy to be free
>Punished because of the confession

It's a losing game.

People back in the days sure were foolish, can't believe they used to make up things just like that and went around executing people calling them demons and witch, I'm glad we're past those times.

yep. thats like spanish inquisition all over.

Not quite true, his trial is pretty similar to that of Joan of Arc. Both confessed but ultimately refused to denounce their crimes with Bon refusing to condemn Fushi despite confessing that he is a demon and Joan renegading on her confession that her visions are the work of the devil and not God. Had they both carried on through with their confessions, they'd be let go. What is ultimately on trial is their allegiance and subordination to the Church.

the matrix doesn't want anyone to win

welcome to the Inquisition

Plus now rumors spread about Fushi definitely being a demon..

It's called a "zero sum game."

I appreciate your powers of observation my good fellow. Carry on

"Zero Sum Game" is the premise of the movie "The Arrival".

I call Rigged!

Plot-Twist ? They are being intelligently controlled by an evolved Nokker ?

honestly nokkers feel like a plot device to have Fushi do stuff. else he'd be in his island fucking around for all eternity

if I recall the Nokkers were aiming to take out those who Fushi could ally with around the world - if they were sentient enough to be aware that the church of Bennet is again him, it would be disadvantageous for the Nokkers to attack them. That would be my guess.

ok, fair point. i guess nokkers do evolve also, seemingly the nokker in the arm of that guy lives a symbiotic existence with him, therefore capability of evolving isnt out of the question.
but the nokkers are way stronger than any phantomatic church and they have a complete disregard for human life.
also also, nokkers are the only beings that could strip Fushi of his memories/souls. it'd be an increbible opportunity to kill him when hes stuck in iron.
but eh, whatever, i dont want to extrapolate a theory from a feel. it just feels like they arent doing anything this season that's all.

in the first season they were the prime antagonist of fushi. now its a human vs human kind of thing. while nokkers play cards in the background. i mean you cant make such a big deal out of them and then dispose of it like its nothing. this is why it feels like all the buildup of the first season is kinda missing.

Were you not listening? The nokkers are on his tail, if he stays in an area for more than 2 days they appear. This is also why they continued to appear in the past. So long as he keeps moving they will not appear and I'm sure they had no idea where he was after he was practically melted alive and fused with hot steel/iron.

Were you not listening to the first episodes this season? Fushi stranded himself on an island until Nokkers stopped showing up, because they went else where to cities around the globe to kill people. Nokkers still attack other people, regardless whether he’s moving or not. Nothing you’ve said has countered this point about the Nokkers being used in the story as a plot device

Nokkers started killing people because they wanted fushi to come out from that island to save people.
But if they attack that church which is already fushi's enemy, then i dont think that fushi will try to save them.
I think this is the reason why nokkers did'nt attack that church

That’s not the reason the Nokkers started killing people while Fushi was on the island. Fushi spent years on that island single-handedly killing any Nokker that approached him. They realized they weren’t going to make much progress, so instead they started a different approach: instead of attacking Fushi directly (to take the souls of the friends that he has met), the Nokkers will instead start killing other people elsewhere who could end up being one of his friends that he can turn into

That’s true but that’s not what I meant. The Nokkers killing someone Fushi has never met before, prevents Fushi from ever transforming into them.

And the Nokkers are an evolving race as we’ve seen (if you aren’t sure what I mean by evolving, I can explain what I mean). They keep trying to finding new ways to take down Fushi. So, your statement on “if they can’t defeat him on the island, then they shouldn’t be able to defeat him elsewhere” will not hold up. Essentially, they cannot defeat Fushi now, so they are trying to indirectly limit his power by killing people until they find a new way to take him down.
That would be my guess at least.

As for why the Nokkers are trying to coerce Fushi out of the island, nobody said that. We were talking about how the author of the story may be using the Nokkers as a plot device to push the story forward, as a story about Fushi living the whole anime on the island would probably be very boring

It was my pleasure. Yeah, not all debates/discussions need to be toxic so friendly discussion is always nice. However, I debate a lot with people and watch a lot of animes where I find myself in the comment sections of, so I apologize for not remembering where we had a discussion before. Where did we chat previously?

That's right, I remember your counter example. The recent eps have been getting pretty dope on that anime

What kind of currently ongoing animes are your type of tea then

Hi-key should should ask that toxic commenter if they’re only able to win arguments with people by blocking them. I read some of their comments since I happened to be logged out and lmao they’re so delusional

I'm not sure how to read comments other people made when replying to you

Looks like that dude I was replying to either blocked me, deleted his account, or deleted his comments lol

Hahaha yea. His first comment on this comment section started off really rude for no good reason, so I didn't go easy on him

Maybe Nokkers, like Aliens, started evolving to the point where they became adapted to and blended w/ society where it became unnecessary to wipe out all human lifeforms. Just a random theory.

That’s a cool idea, perhaps that’s what they can do to finally get to Fushi

Actually, even my last statement is wrong, they still attacked him on the island too, he just killed them. The nokkers never stopped showing up on the island, you clearly were not listening at all lmfao

I admit misspoke about how the Nokkers “stopped showing up” on the island. However, this does not mean I was clearly not listening. I was being careless with my words, since this debate shouldn’t even be about that, it should be about whether or not the Nokkers are being used as a plot device in this story. And so far, all you have been doing is proving this idea to be true. By mentioning how the Nokkers attack Fushi on the island while attacking other people elsewhere, you’re further arguing against yourself providing more reason believe that the Nokkers are just a plot device to drive the story forward, since Fushi is being forced to leave the island.

"I misspoke but that doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention!" The ghost literally told Fushi, who was clueless and did not know, the nokkers were not just chasing him but murdering people the entire time. Fushi thought they were just coming after him, which they were not.

I don't argue with idiots who cannot admit that they were wrong, take this block and have a nice day.

They could not reach him on the island, they had ALWAYS been killing people

They hadn’t always been killing people man. Nokkers only came into existence when Fushi came into existence as their whole reason for existence has something to do with Fushi. What this reason is, has not been revealed yet.

The first ever sighting of a Nokker from season 1 was solely focused on killing Fushi and nobody else died when it was defeated. Every Nokker afterwards would learn from the previous one’s mistakes, and put up a significantly harder challenge for Fushi to defeat them. Nokkers learn, adapt, and evolve. That’s what we’ve seen from this story, from Nokkers turning people to zombies, to creating a home in Hayase’s arm. For these reasons, we can see that the Nokkers did not exist until Fushi came into existence since they did not initially start out with the intelligence that we see them with now.

Therefore, you are wrong. The Nokkers had NOT “ALWAYS been killing people”.

Unlike the Nokkers, we’ve yet to see any intelligence coming from you understanding this story. You should try to rewatch the whole series and follow a guide or something because you clearly weren’t paying attention. Either that or you are only using 1 out of your 2 brain cells. Both seem equally likely to me.

I am literally speaking about when Fushi came into existence you complete and utter moron. I literally was referencing to how the nokkers had been killing people this entire time even when they are not attacking Fushi. Please be even more disingenuous with your arguments making yourself look like an absolute F'in tool.

and yet he stayed encased in iron for like a week and nobody showed up.

I literally already explained this, the nokkers did not know where he was, precisely because, he was encased in iron and his body was literally turning to ash.

spoiler alert.

nokkers are actually not after fushi at all they just wanted to finish him off so he won't hinder the nokkers in their work which is to remove all the pain in the world and according to them the humans suffer the most pain so if they finish them there will be no pain in the world that's what they think.

how would they not? he is still alive in there. they could track him whatever form he took up. its just a big plothole. man. either the nokkers are against him, or they have plan he can thwart somehow.

"how would they not? he is still alive in there. they could track him whatever form he took up."

And since when were they tracking him when he was encased in solid steel? Do you have any evidence that they could do so?

Didnt s1 explain that they can sense him way better then how he can sense them now? But they want to eradicate all life and fushii is their main problem both parties evolves and they r the main villains so far and the reason for them not going for him when he is encased will either be explained or left untouched by just being plotarmor since they can sense his being no matter his form

Where is the proof they can sense him when his body has been turned into ash and is encased in iron?

Is there anything that says otherwise? They can sense him from miles away no matter his form so why should some iron block it? Just cause they didnt attack him while he was stuck doesnt mean that they aint nearby prepping like they did on the gladiator island
U seem rly stuck up on the idea that him being ash hinders it aswell but the guy in black said that they would kill him even if he turned into a rock untill he turns back into the orb

There is nothing that says that they can in this situation. Him turning into a rock is not being encased in molten and solid metal.